Curse

yesitsrob · Oct 24, 2007, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by Age

You didn't read my post right did you maybe read it when you are sober as it is in the late hours where you are.

You have to be dyslexic to be able to read your posts right. Otherwise they are full of complete shit, stop posting, you're bad.

Also monks shouldn't carry a res in PVE

Sakura Az · Oct 24, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

i find that when i carry a rez i don't need it, but the moment i switch it out for soemthing else i find i needed the rez that next mission.

Toutatis · Oct 24, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

All of my characters always make room on the bar for a rez of some description, just as a precaution in case of emergencies.

My monk, ritualist and paragon always carry a hard rez on the bar, for the same reason as above. The exception to this hard rez rule is for missions like Imperial Sanctum and Abaddon's Gate where the paragon and monk carry resurrection signet or sunspear rebirth signet - the pressures of those missions mean that standing still for 5-6 seconds to use one of the hard rez options is too much of a risk.

moriz · Oct 24, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

monks should never carry rez. i mean, would you rather the monk stop monking to rez a person, allowing 3 other people to die in the casting, or keep monking and let someone else rez? the choice should be simple.

Pick Me · Oct 24, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Monks and Ritualists should never rez in the middle of a battle.

I've been in many PUGs where people don't carry rez, why? Because their job is to do damage, not to rez someone. If a monk can't rez, then they better be the best at keeping people from dying. Otherwise, monks should never flee from the battlefield, even if everyone else is dead, since no one can rez.

If the monks and rits think it is the job of other people to bring a rez, then those people lose 1 more attack/damaging skill or defense skill. This seems to follow the logic of people not bringing any defense or self healing skill, because it is the monk's job to keep them from dying.

How odd that monks agree that pure healing is poor, protection is better. Hybrids are good too, which means monks better have good e-management if no one brings a rez, or self-healing.

Rebirth is for near party wipes and regrouping. Ressurection Chant is for after battle rezing.

Anyone rezing anyone in a battle should be rezing a monk. But if a Monk dies, then those holding aggro are not doing their job. Those who are supposed to do damage is not killing fast enought to protect the monks.

bryann380 · Oct 24, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Whenever my monk is in a group, whether it's H-H or real players (guild/alliance only), she will always have a rez equipped. You never know when something unexpected happens and a teammate dies because of it.

elektra_lucia · Oct 24, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Monks and Ritualists should never rez in the middle of a battle.

I've been in many PUGs where people don't carry rez, why? Because their job is to do damage, not to rez someone. If a monk can't rez, then they better be the best at keeping people from dying. Otherwise, monks should never flee from the battlefield, even if everyone else is dead, since no one can rez.

If the monks and rits think it is the job of other people to bring a rez, then those people lose 1 more attack/damaging skill or defense skill. This seems to follow the logic of people not bringing any defense or self healing skill, because it is the monk's job to keep them from dying.

How odd that monks agree that pure healing is poor, protection is better. Hybrids are good too, which means monks better have good e-management if no one brings a rez, or self-healing.

Rebirth is for near party wipes and regrouping. Ressurection Chant is for after battle rezing.

Anyone rezing anyone in a battle should be rezing a monk. But if a Monk dies, then those holding aggro are not doing their job. Those who are supposed to do damage is not killing fast enought to protect the monks.

Some of this is true, some of it is just garbage. Partly because the resurrection skills you choose are too long of a cast time. There is nothing up with a ritualist ressing in the middle of a battle with resurrection signet unless of course he's all healing and you have no monk.

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How odd that monks agree that pure healing is poor, protection is better.

For PVE this is not odd at all. Although running a prot and a healer works alright. PVE you can run any old stuff and get away with it though.

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then those holding aggro are not doing their job.

You should be able to tank with any character if the monks are good =P.

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which means monks better have good e-management if no one brings a rez, or self-healing.

Barely need e-management in PVE :/.

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Whenever my monk is in a group, whether it's H-H or real players (guild/alliance only), she will always have a rez equipped. You never know when something unexpected happens and a teammate dies because of it.

You still can't see how retarded that is? If you are ressing your team is not receiving heals. How is that hard to understand? Why can't you grasp that?

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You never know when something unexpected happens

It's PVE... They're AI... They're not real people who act randomly, they are programmed to act how they do...

Age · Oct 24, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

English isn't my mother tongue either, I wasn't talking about 'ain't' Your English is just generally shocking, you should not criticize one for reading something incorrectly when you can't write correctly.

Bringing a monk in PVE is bad.

20 years and the only English you learnt was while in class? That's funny, look around the internet. English is EVERYWHERE and you arn't bright enough to learn any, so please before you comment - shut your mouth. You are bad at the game.

KTHX.

If you're such a bad monk in PVE that all your team dies, you should resign already.

You still didn't read my post right did you I guess it is not your mother tongue but it is mine.I will say it again.I have not been in an English class since high school that was over 20 years ago before you were born!You haven't had a life time of experiences as well.Resign most just want to the dam thing over with.

Age · Oct 24, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

You have to be dyslexic to be able to read your posts right. Otherwise they are full of complete shit, stop posting, you're bad.

Also monks shouldn't carry a res in PVE

Well you are good at flaming pll but you want to know something I have it all.I wouldn't talk about my posts and Monks should carry a res in pve or it becomes there fault.

Pyro maniac · Oct 24, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

a simple [skill]resurrect[/skill] isn't bad to have on a monk, but saying that monks are the only one to need to res .. =/

carry 4-5 hard resses so your team can quickly recover from mistakes during the fight (thinking off 2-3 aatxes who ignore the tank and simply come rampaging towards the clump of casters), 1-2 hard resses are fine to recover your dead team mates without wasting your sig.
As monks shouldn't be ressing during battle, their only option would be to carry a hard res.

but then, I never PUG

and Age, I hope I don't meet you while I decide to PUG a mission. If I would, I'm sure the next time I'll try it again without h/h would be at least 3 months later.

ender6 · Oct 24, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Age

For the most part what I posted is true and and my sloppy mistakes I don't think so maybe yours and it is unpredictable as you don't know jack between jill in the group.I would say this is that if anything the warrior uses as bad it is endure pain not mending or breeze.I haven't even been seeing the use of that in some time as for rangers not using whirling for troll that is different story.

Actually when I said:
"That's why PS is my friend. As for a rez, yeah i suppose i can make room for Rebirth, to clean up after your sloppy mistakes."

I was refering to a PuG party in general, perhaps it should have read:
"...to clean up after the PuG's sloppy mistakes." -- For the more obtuse.

As for your mistakes, I would begin with spell check, but that really won't help with the grammar.

bryann380 · Oct 24, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

elektra, I never said anything about using a rez during a battle, which I don't.

thelessa · Oct 24, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

When in a group, everyone should bring some kind of rez., it can mean the difference between finishing a mission or having to do it all over again.

During battle monks should not be the ones rezing.

elektra_lucia · Oct 24, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Age

You still didn't read my post right did you I guess it is not your mother tongue but it is mine.I will say it again.I have not been in an English class since high school that was over 20 years ago before you were born!You haven't had a life time of experiences as well.Resign most just want to the dam thing over with.

I'm older than 20, and exactly. I don't have a life time experience, yet my English is still better than yours

. How does it feel losing an argument, looking ignorant (in comparison) to someone much younger than you? I have read your posts, but I can't help feeling I need to look at a mirror, while drunk and hanging upside down, just to try decipher the garbage you have written.

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elektra, I never said anything about using a rez during a battle, which I don't.

Missing 1/8 of a skill during battle is not cool.

Someone else can res at the end or during battle...

I'll go back to your statement:

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Whenever my monk is in a group, whether it's H-H or real players (guild/alliance only), she will always have a rez equipped. You never know when something unexpected happens and a teammate dies because of it.

Something unexpected should not happen in PVE.
If one team mate dies, someone else can rez.
Something is more likely to happen if you are missing skills.

Back to ages comment:

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PvE is unpredictable unlike say a gvg match or ha.

I have read it; with respect, it's complete garbage.

MirkoTeran · Oct 24, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

a simple [skill]resurrect[/skill] isn't bad to have on a monk

Actually, that is one of the worst skills you could have on a monk.

I generally never have a res on my monk.

Turtle222 · Oct 24, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by arcady

I've had Wammo full party wipes before in PUGs that I rebirthed and then went on to win the mission in. It happens quite a lot actually... Most of the toons trying to to get into PUGs are Wammos. Average PUG I join is anywhere from half Wa/Mo to all but me as Wa/Mo... Typically, half of them refuse to listen to calls to slow down or to go left rather than right until they wipe at least twice...

don't you just hate it when they are chicken...makes me so mad grrr. they expect you, a monk, to be the one to take the damage..

Squishy ftw · Oct 24, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Turtle222

don't you just hate it when they are chicken...makes me so mad grrr. they expect you, a monk, to be the one to take the damage..

So? go full alesia and tank that mob !!
Tanking monks ftw btw

Pyro maniac · Oct 24, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Actually, that is one of the worst skills you could have on a monk.

I generally never have a res on my monk.

anything better the rebirth

nebuchanezzar · Oct 24, 2007, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Opinions are like @$$holes, everyone has one and some really stink.
If you play in organized groups then in most cases monks do not need to have a rez skill. However the arguement that a monk(or anyone) needs all 8 slots to be effective is also BS. Organized groups have these things already decided as to whom does rezzing and with what skill.
Pug'n is a whole nother bag of beans....
If you choose to monk for PUG groups then bring a rez of your choice. You cannot depend on anyone else to do it. Ideally someone else will also have a sig/hard rez but again....average pug groups think rez = monks job; there are of course things to consider. No, monks should never combat rez...ever.
If you really HAVE to have all 8 skill to be effective(...) then spend an attribute point or 2 on Rez scrolls for emergencies. No, the AI isn't the surprise, it's the people in the groups that account for surprises.
Back when I played and pugged often(I recently returned from a long break from GW) I resolved to carry Rebirth on any pve character that did not need a secondary professions skills to be effective. That skill is invaluable IN A PUG GROUP SETTING. Most of these criticisms seem to attack those who play in pug groups. While I realize that H/H have destroyed grouping as normal and the whole campaign system has scattered many players across to many zones this game was/is a COOPERATIVE ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME!! Despite the fact that many have invested lots of time energy into this game the average player doesn't read on forums or wiki's and just plays the game willy-nilly.
I myself am a culprit of that to an extent. While I used to enjoy pugging and helping players out but since my return I don't. I lack the patience anymore. I use H/H because my FList looks like a cemetary now. What I'm insinuation is that imo the more experienced player base is shrinking, leaving more.. inexperienced players in comparison. If you want to pug, and want to be successful, bring a rez, even on a monk. The only time a monk bar should NEVER have a rez is pvp.
/end rant
GL and HF(it is still a game after all)

Pick Me · Oct 24, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Some of this is true, some of it is just garbage. Partly because the resurrection skills you choose are too long of a cast time. There is nothing up with a ritualist ressing in the middle of a battle with resurrection signet unless of course he's all healing and you have no monk.

Those were two examples of rezes that Monks can use. Anyone can use a Rez signet, but those who have hard rezes, like Monks, Rits and Paragons shouldn't be using them in PvE.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

For PVE this is not odd at all. Although running a prot and a healer works alright. PVE you can run any old stuff and get away with it though.

I'll give you that. In PvE almost anything can and will work in PvE (some will argue that ANYTHING will work in PvE).

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

You should be able to tank with any character if the monks are good =P.

Barely need e-management in PVE :/.

In PUGs, you do need e-management. I've been in some really poor PUGs where people seriously get themselves in hot water. Other times, we just get bad spawns. If everything goes well, then yes, e-management isn't necessary, especially if you are in an organized group.